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I've known of Marines attending the Ranger course but never heard of them doing BUD/S prior to your post.  I've seen Marines with a Combat Diver badge but not the Budwieser (if they still call it that).  Not calling you out r anything just sayin.

 Jim, I have no idea what the proper term for the school is these days.  We called it SCUBA school at 2dReconBn in '67, but the official name was Underwater Swimmers Course.  Seems to me BUD/S may be the current SCUBA school and Marines are wearing the traditional device.  For some reason I've always considered BUD/S as SEAL indoc, so what course would Recon Marines attend these days?

 

Who Knows?  I just finished "Sole Survivor" about that SEAL Team that was nearly all killed in the Afghan mts. the one where the LT received the MOH.  He describes BUDS/S as the entry level program prior to actual SEAL training.  In "One Bullet W=Away"  then Lt. Fink describes his underwater training and while similar it wasn't the same.  "Course it could be they just described it differently.

My recruiter told me that Marines have gone to BUD/s before, but do to the fact that recruiters do tend to feed crap occasionally, I posted something about it on here, wondering if anyone may have known. I end up getting slammed by Kilo, and told to worry about boot, apparently because I'm only allowed to think about Bootcamp until i've completed it. oh and something that caught my attention, you may be talking about another book, but it seems very similar to the one I just finished. "Lone Survivor", SEAL team 10 were all killed but one, and he was awarded the Navy Cross. The survivor, Luttrell, describes the Indoc(a 5 week prep for the training to come), then describes the remaining training as BUD/s. Upon completion of BUD/s, he gets the Trident. I'm fairly certain that it's different than the dive school. I was just told that Marines had attended it before and wondered.

Kid, STFU, you don't know sh*t from shinola.

First survive and graduate to Boot Camp, then see if you have the same feeling about RECON after a tour as a Rifleman in the dirt.

Now, I did go to RANGER SCHOOL, when I was a Soldier (I was a Rifleman in another lifetime) and kid, trust me when I say, you may lose interest in RECON after just being a plain old Combat Rifleman.  You will see action if you join........RECON may take a backseat.

Keep in mind that we are Marines (even those who've gone to the dark side and jinned up wit da dogfaces).  We don't slam you.  We treat you as lower than the scum on the bottom of the ocean.  WE are Marines you are not.  If you think this treatment is harsh wait for your Drill Instructors.  Hell, just wait for he treatment you'll get from permanent cadre at the depot.

RussLC12:

I end up getting slammed by Kilo, and told to worry about boot, apparently because I'm only allowed to think about Bootcamp until i've completed it.

Slammed ?? jeez kid you have thin skin if you think that was harsh , you caught me on a good day ( today wouldn't be a good day) If we Marines here only had a dollar for every time we have someone here tell us that they wanted Recon, In most 03 units the only way a shower shoe would get sent to Indoc is to get rid of them for a day or two , after some time in a unit if you are squared away you might get a chance after they are sure you won't pee your pants under fire.

  Gotta crawl before you run start by getting your head into Boot Camp first thats where you start proving yourself and will follow you .

Ya man i couldnt tell you how many times I have gotten my hind quarters chewed out, just cowboy up and take lickings and the knowledge they give you on the subject. (and these guys are all really good guys they can be cranky though)

p.s.my recruiter who was arty gave me the same advice these guys are giving you, worry about making it in the infantry first and then see if you wanna be recon.

Kilo, thanks for your words of encouragement.  Now, let me offer you some of the same:  I encourage you to go to your local Books-A-Million and purchase a "Grammar for Dummies" book.  I could take your advice more seriously if I could interpret what language you're speaking.  Did they teach punctuation in the 1940's when you were in school?   Seriously, you need to settle down.  I can't help it if I'm young and excited about the future.  Judging from the types of replies you're dishing out, you needed to stir an extra tablespoon of Metamucil into that Carnation-Instant-*** you had for breakfast this morning.   My skin is as thick as anyone's, but I was under the impression that the purpose of this particular area in the forum was for NEW guys to gather information and make contacts.  Do you have nothing better to do than sit around at your computer waiting for a chance to pretend you know more than someone else?  I asked a simple question:  Have you ever heard of any Marines attending BUD/S?  You expended a lot of energy NOT answering my question.  It seems to me that you're the one who is confused about branches SOLDIER.  Why'd you join the army?  The Marines not want you anymore, cowboy?   I'm outta here, you geriatric sand flea.

 

Ah, good response baby boy.  Hope you like a foot in your azz 'cause that's the way it'll be in the Corps with your sh*t for brains attitude if you pack the gear to get in.  What have you ever done in your skank filled dream life except slide out the chute?  Have you ever .... ahhhhhhh f*ckit you aren't worth the effort .  Stay the f*ck away from my Corps before you f*ckit all up.  Ask yo momma what she did with the azz wipe she used to mop the best part of you off her leg with.  Maybe you can find it and get some 'tude adjustment ability.

RussLC12:

Kilo, thanks for your words of encouragement.  Now, let me offer you some of the same:  I encourage you to go to your local Books-A-Million and purchase a "Grammar for Dummies" book.  I could take your advice more seriously if I could interpret what language you're speaking.  Did they teach punctuation in the 1940's when you were in school?   Seriously, you need to settle down.  I can't help it if I'm young and excited about the future.  Judging from the types of replies you're dishing out, you needed to stir an extra tablespoon of Metamucil into that Carnation-Instant-*** you had for breakfast this morning.   My skin is as thick as anyone's, but I was under the impression that the purpose of this particular area in the forum was for NEW guys to gather information and make contacts.  Do you have nothing better to do than sit around at your computer waiting for a chance to pretend you know more than someone else?  I asked a simple question:  Have you ever heard of any Marines attending BUD/S?  You expended a lot of energy NOT answering my question.  It seems to me that you're the one who is confused about branches SOLDIER.  Why'd you join the army?  The Marines not want you anymore, cowboy?   I'm outta here, you geriatric sand flea.

 

 

 

 just shut up we all (poolees that is) get our A$$es handed to us at least once on this forumlet it roll off your back and do not insult any of the Marines here. you need to get yoru attitude in check you may be excited about the Marines (I am to) but you dont insult someone who has offered to stand infrom of bullets so that you can maybe live your dream now I will be very blunt here, shut up take your lickings and learn you dont know nothing as far as these guys are concerned, they did their time you will do yours SO SHUT UP. and by the way cowboy is not an insult its a sign of bada$$ness you dumb little POS the guay is a freakin vet you have no right to insult him and one last thing, I happen to be a member of an ARMY ROTC program here, and they are damn good people that you have no righ to disrespect like that, we are all on the same team so dude just shut up and grow a pair. 

jburke:

Ah, good response baby boy.  Hope you like a foot in your azz 'cause that's the way it'll be in the Corps with your sh*t for brains attitude if you pack the gear to get in.  What have you ever done in your skank filled dream life except slide out the chute?  Have you ever .... ahhhhhhh f*ckit you aren't worth the effort .  Stay the f*ck away from my Corps before you f*ckit all up.  Ask yo momma what she did with the azz wipe she used to mop the best part of you off her leg with.  Maybe you can find it and get some 'tude adjustment ability.

 

 

Not that I thought you needed defending sir in the above post but I hate seeing vets get insulted, especially from punks like him. 

This Russ Idiot has more nerve than a toothache..........Ranting about Kilo, who is a Marine and now a Soldier.

And RussL is just a wannabe.........he hasn't even qualified to be an Airman in the Air Farce!

Wm. R Miller Jr.:

This Russ Idiot has more nerve than a toothache..........Ranting about Kilo, who is a Marine and now a Soldier.

And RussL is just a wannabe.........he hasn't even qualified to be an Airman in the Air Farce!

 

  Hell, he is just the kid in High School that gets picked on all the time , that joins the Marines just so he become someone.

Mouthy little f... who engages mouth before BHG , that don't stop to realize that all I have to do is pick up the DSN get his full name and transfer that to get tagged at Parris Island . The Marines I served with are now Master Gunns, SgtMjr's , Major ( enlisted first ) and a full Bird . I always  can have fun .

 Just ask the PFC that walked off in the field and left his rifle , then he got to see a little USMC style "corrective punishment"  .

RussLC12:

Kilo, thanks for your words of encouragement.  Now, let me offer you some of the same:  I encourage you to go to your local Books-A-Million and purchase a "Grammar for Dummies" book. 

 Dont have them here in Germany . Now I realize that you probably have not been to far from home but it is a country in Europe but I did find this book for you.

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Ok. So send me your address and full name, so that way, once I get through with BRC I can send you an invitation to suck my b..s. You're an idiotic fool if you think for one second that I thought it would be easy and/or take no time to complete it. Hell, it's going to be the most difficult challenge I'll ever face most likely...but from now, until the time I take the test, I can prepare myself for it. So when I get on a Marine forum site, looking for help with preparing for my goal, I get told to worry about boot camp. HAHA! So that means I need to slow down on my training(which is the only thing I can think of) because the Recon Indoc,and BRC is significantly harder to complete, than fucking boot camp. Yes, I know boot camp isn't easy. EXAMPLE: If I have a 3 mile race coming up...I train every day running 10 miles...even though I only need to run 3...I run 10..so when the 3 mile gets here, it is a lot easier and I am used to way worse...thats what I'm shooting for here..ok? I have respect for everyone in our Armed Forces, INCLUDING YOU..now have a little respect for me as well..I had full scholarships offered to me at the end of this year..as a matter of fact, I turned down one to Westpoint..BECAUSE,  I wanted to go Force Recon...now give me the benefit of a doubt, and lay off.

    First of all be sure to say hello to Sergeant Major Beith (2nd Recon SgtMjr) for me ,I'm sure he will know you.

Now you need to read , did I ever once tell you to back down training ? Also part of being a Marine (and it seems you will have a hard time here)

IS being able to told what to do and keeping your mouth shut and  executing. Now my Brother in-law was Force Recon and is now MARSOC  as there is no more Force Recon but You already know that since you know everything , I have respect for everyone that enters the Armed Forces what I dont respect is mouthy little brats . as far a laying off hold that remark for your DI's .

 AS for you you , IF you want to stick around on this board you better start writing Yeti and explain to im why you should be allowed to stay here.

 

Somehow I forsee a boot camp wash out either for 'failure to adjust' or for 'beligerence' with several blanket parties prior to his removal. Hope he enjoys being the designated reason for going to the garden in his platoon. I agree that this puke is a good candidate for Yeti hitting the bozo button. Stay safe Kilo. Paul

Randy, I'm sorry this little punk thought he was even worthy to lick your boots.  Yeti needs to take this one out behind the wood pile.  We try to take into consideration that these kids think they know things but this one is so full of himself that it's a wonder he can even walk with his inflated ego.  Russ, time to get your head out of your rear and into the real world.

Ok. I was wondering about attending additional schools offered by the military. My recruiter told me that once I finished all of the training that was on my contract, I could attend Ranger school, or BUD/s school(of course at the discretion of my CO). Is this true? and if so, is there a likely chance that would happen?

I think that Capt Ky answered your question, but I just wanted to add that it isn't your CO you need to impress or be worried about.  Yes, from time to time opportunities will come up and your CO may have the opportunity to send someone.  Other service school slots come available on a "Space-A" basis.  Not only does a school slot have to be available, but there has to be funding to support it.  The other services are running pretty much at full capacity as they also gear up and train for deployment. As Capt Ky said, if you are an 03, then right now the emphasis will be getting you squared away and with a unit to deploy.  The role of the MC is not to have cool schools for you to go so you can check off boxes and remind yourself just how slick and high speed you are.  You also seem to have a very romanticized idea of what is involved with recon.  And trust me, the cadre couldn't care less about all the alleged scholarships you turned down so you could go to PI.  They hear it every day from all the rest of the "wonder children". What they care about is if you can do your job, and if they should trust the lives of your fellow Marines to your competence and judgment -- or lack thereof.  In the grunt world, it is all about the Marine to the left of you and to the right of you. 

The point I wanted to make is, in agreement with the Marines here, is that you need to excel at boot camp and once you get to a unit impress your NCO's.  Those are the ones that make the real decisions about who should be sent along to specialty schools or to opportunities. They are the ones who will plead your case to the CO for consideration.  So....I wouldn't pat myself on the back for getting uppity with Marines but would question whether or not you have the level of self-discipline needed to earn the title Marine.  Nobody respects a smart azz.

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Ok. So send me your address and full name, so that way, once I get through with BRC I can send you an invitation to suck my b..s. You're an idiotic fool if you think for one second that I thought it would be easy and/or take no time to complete it. Hell, it's going to be the most difficult challenge I'll ever face most likely...but from now, until the time I take the test, I can prepare myself for it. So when I get on a Marine forum site, looking for help with preparing for my goal, I get told to worry about boot camp. HAHA! So that means I need to slow down on my training(which is the only thing I can think of) because the Recon Indoc,and BRC is significantly harder to complete, than fucking boot camp. Yes, I know boot camp isn't easy. EXAMPLE: If I have a 3 mile race coming up...I train every day running 10 miles...even though I only need to run 3...I run 10..so when the 3 mile gets here, it is a lot easier and I am used to way worse...thats what I'm shooting for here..ok? I have respect for everyone in our Armed Forces, INCLUDING YOU..now have a little respect for me as well..I had full scholarships offered to me at the end of this year..as a matter of fact, I turned down one to Westpoint..BECAUSE,  I wanted to go Force Recon...now give me the benefit of a doubt, and lay off.

Kilo, Mind forwarding that to my home address, I'll deal with that when I get home tonight after I crawl under the Jeep.

Now I'm trying to figure out why no one let me know what was going on.  Been busy as hell at work, and now I see this crap.

Kid we were telling you that you need to worry about Boot Camp for a reason, as nothing else matters if you can't make it through that.  Do you realize how small the Marine Corps is?  There are more people at a single major college football game than are currently enlisted in the Marines (Active & Reserves).  Remarks like you have made here will come back to bite you in the ass big time.  Most of us still talk to our fellow Marines, many of whom are in charge of the Training of Future Marines.  And I can give you a prefect example to it.  While at the MEPS, I made a smartass comment to the SSgt who was working as the MEPS Liason.  Needless to say I was pushing in the middle of the Baltimore MEPS with him yelling at me, telling me one day I was going to be working for him.  Low & behold the following year, who walks in to take over my shop as the new SNCOIC  the same SSgt who was the MEPS Liason.

You want to go Recon, all well and good.  When you started asking about Ranger, Jump & BUDS training, these are primarily other service schools.  Marines get slots on a Space Available (Space-A) basis.  Yes possible to go to all 3 as a Marine, likely no.

I'm quite sure the few current Active Duty Recon Marines we have that watch the board will already be making note of you and your attitude.  As the physical isn't the only requirement for Recon, if they don't think your mentally ready for it they will wash you out as well.

You would do well to formulate an apology and post it up if you want to continue here.  We have had several like yourself come through and spew crap all over the forum like you have.  There are few that have realized their errors and made amends and have actually succeed in making it through Boot Camp.  Though many will continue to try to pester us, then we learn they wash out after a week or two at Boot Camp.

It only takes me a few clicks to ban you from here.  Only takes a few clicks and one phone call to make life a living hell when you ship.  It's really no skin off my back doing either.  Personally I like giving idiots a chance to correct themselves, otherwise giving enough rope to hang themselves with.

TheYeti1775:

[Kilo, Mind forwarding that to my home address, I'll deal with that when I get home tonight after I crawl under the Jeep.

Now I'm trying to figure out why no one let me know what was going on.  Been busy as hell at work, and now I se